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Post by stevethepict on May 12, 2021 9:30:53 GMT -5
BTW approaching 27 hours since pick 1.10.
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Post by nelittle on May 12, 2021 9:34:34 GMT -5
And just to make sure people understand where I'm coming from, I'm stirring things up, not picking a fight. Greeney, I really appreciate your efforts as commish, but I do think you need to separate your interests and preferences as an owner from your role as a neutral arbiter running the league on behalf of all 24 owners. I'm usually one to bust his balls, but I think this is way off base. It's easy to paint greeney as an not a very nice person, because..well...he's an not a very nice person, but he has never done anything remotely resembling pushing his own agenda as commish. He's the one that pointed out for the entire history of the league the commish could see everyone's waivers and trades and makes a point to tell people why he is turning on and off that capability.
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Post by nelittle on May 12, 2021 9:35:30 GMT -5
Fun fact, people poop from their not very nice persons.
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Post by stevethepict on May 12, 2021 9:37:44 GMT -5
And just to make sure people understand where I'm coming from, I'm stirring things up, not picking a fight. Greeney, I really appreciate your efforts as commish, but I do think you need to separate your interests and preferences as an owner from your role as a neutral arbiter running the league on behalf of all 24 owners. I'm usually one to bust his balls, but I think this is way off base. It's easy to paint greeney as an not a very nice person, because..well...he's an not a very nice person, but he has never done anything remotely resembling pushing his own agenda as commish. He's the one that pointed out for the entire history of the league the commish could see everyone's waivers and trades and makes a point to tell people why he is turning on and off that capability. I'm not in any way questioning Greeney's integrity or honesty. I trust him to run the league fairly. I'm just pointing out his obligation as both a commissioner and an owner to make a clear distinction between those roles. And in the case of a proposed rule change, I think any commissioner has an obligation to hear out the other owners. Especially on a topic that has come up literally every year this league has been in existence.
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Post by Hakuna Stigmata on May 12, 2021 9:39:26 GMT -5
And just to make sure people understand where I'm coming from, I'm stirring things up, not picking a fight. Greeney, I really appreciate your efforts as commish, but I do think you need to separate your interests and preferences as an owner from your role as a neutral arbiter running the league on behalf of all 24 owners. I'm usually one to bust his balls, but I think this is way off base. It's easy to paint greeney as an not a very nice person, because..well...he's an not a very nice person, but he has never done anything remotely resembling pushing his own agenda as commish. He's the one that pointed out for the entire history of the league the commish could see everyone's waivers and trades and makes a point to tell people why he is turning on and off that capability. That's not what was said by steve. He didn't say he used his commissioner role to give himself a competitive advantage. And I agree, Greeney does a fine job maintaining that balance. Steve said he had trouble ruling on potential changes to our operations due to his personal preference...and to this, I agree a bit. A pick clock wouldn't give Greeney a competitive advantage/disadvantage, but he clearly prefers to do the draft without it and has no trouble saying so. Once again for the people who like trades: A clock will make them happen. And within a reasonable time.
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Post by 4horsemen on May 12, 2021 10:05:49 GMT -5
I think it is kind of BS to say the draft moves along at a fine pace. Even the NFL puts a clock on it. Goodell this up all you want. The draft *doesn't* move at a fine pace. The draft gets done before the season. That's the best you can say about it. We've had the conversation before and I know Greeney won't listen to anyone about clocks, so I'm not even suggesting it, but it's laughable to say it moves at a 'fine' pace. We're past 24 hours for pick 1.11. A pick that should be pretty easy to make. The draft is painfully slow. We just have to accept it. But don't piss on us and tell us it's raining. Getting it done before the season is literally the only time requirement we have. We have never even come close to not meeting that mark. I am part of the group that does think a 24-hr clock after round 5 or 6 is fine, but for the most part I dont care how long someone takes as long as they communicate status. rg It is ok (in this case at least) for different people to have different definitions of “fine.” This isn’t a true or false item such as “is it raining or not outside.” Generally I think the pace is fine (although again I’m all for better communication and would also support the pick clock after a certain round). That doesn’t mean some or all of you have to agree with my opinion. That also doesn’t make one of us right or wrong. At some point this likely leads to a vote so we can see where the majority lies. If that isn’t with my opinion I’m willing to accept that and move on.
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Post by tony on May 12, 2021 10:16:20 GMT -5
A lot of words......this is the slowest draft I have ever participated in. Every other league I am in (or have been in) have a timer put in place to keep things moving. With that said, I am new so probably means very little. Just giving input.
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Post by stevethepict on May 12, 2021 10:21:22 GMT -5
A lot of words......this is the slowest draft I have ever participated in. Every other league I am in (or have been in) have a timer put in place to keep things moving. With that said, I am new so probably means very little. Just giving input. We're a chatty bunch. Well, some of us are. Glad you're in the league and I'd encourage you to give input. This is supposed to be fun, and for some of us this back and forth about the league is part of that. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you all the time.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 10:26:53 GMT -5
A lot of words......this is the slowest draft I have ever participated in. Every other league I am in (or have been in) have a timer put in place to keep things moving. With that said, I am new so probably means very little. Just giving input. We're a chatty bunch. Well, some of us are. Glad you're in the league and I'd encourage you to give input. This is supposed to be fun, and for some of us this back and forth about the league is part of that. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you all the time. Well said Steve. I hate all of you not nice places*, but enjoy the discussion. Every owner's input is helpful and equally valid regardless of how long they've been here. rg *Except Logan (Robot Mafia), that's my guy.
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Post by tony on May 12, 2021 10:33:20 GMT -5
We're a chatty bunch. Well, some of us are. Glad you're in the league and I'd encourage you to give input. This is supposed to be fun, and for some of us this back and forth about the league is part of that. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you all the time. Well said Steve. I hate all of you not nice places*, but enjoy the discussion. Every owner's input is helpful and equally valid regardless of how long they've been here. rg *Except Logan (Robot Mafia), that's my guy.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 10:35:05 GMT -5
Now I badly want to know what Tony meant to post above.
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Post by tony on May 12, 2021 10:37:42 GMT -5
We're a chatty bunch. Well, some of us are. Glad you're in the league and I'd encourage you to give input. This is supposed to be fun, and for some of us this back and forth about the league is part of that. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you all the time. Well said Steve. I hate all of you not nice places*, but enjoy the discussion. Every owner's input is helpful and equally valid regardless of how long they've been here. rg *Except Logan (Robot Mafia), that's my guy. Being new not sure if this is how you respond "quote" to people, so here goes. What I meant by "A lot of words", was that I could type a lot of words, but ultimately my feelings is that it is a slow draft. Not that the group has a lot of words.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 10:50:09 GMT -5
Finally, I think the goal should be to get this done well before the season - like...by July 1st at the latest. In the last 5 years the latest any draft has gone is June 27th and most were done a week or 2 earlier than that. We are steadily averaging 6-7 weeks with little stress, more than a round per week. All 5 of those drafts were faster than the 5 before when I first joined, despite turning over roughly half of the league in that time. rg
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Post by nelittle on May 12, 2021 12:33:19 GMT -5
All 5 of those drafts were faster than the 5 before when I first joined, despite turning over roughly half of the league in that time. you said despite, i think you meant because of
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 12:42:09 GMT -5
All 5 of those drafts were faster than the 5 before when I first joined, despite turning over roughly half of the league in that time. you said despite, i think you meant because of That may be true. I honestly don't know. rg
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