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Post by nelittle on May 12, 2021 8:24:30 GMT -5
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Post by stevethepict on May 12, 2021 8:30:18 GMT -5
OK, simplified version: The owners who predrafted the most get supplemental picks at the end of the draft, with a maximum of three supplemental picks awarded, processed by the commish as waiver moves. In the case of ties (with at least one predraft each), extra picks are awarded. This would be easy to tabulate and process, is STRICTLY OPTIONAL so owners can still thingy around as long as they want when they are on the clock, and from a competitiveness standpoint would be the 1,177th, 1,178th, and 1,179th players rostered. The supplemental picks would have to be selected within 72 hours of the conclusion of the draft or they are forfeited.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 8:32:43 GMT -5
I think it is kind of BS to say the draft moves along at a fine pace. Even the NFL puts a clock on it. Goodell this up all you want. The draft *doesn't* move at a fine pace. The draft gets done before the season. That's the best you can say about it. We've had the conversation before and I know Greeney won't listen to anyone about clocks, so I'm not even suggesting it, but it's laughable to say it moves at a 'fine' pace. We're past 24 hours for pick 1.11. A pick that should be pretty easy to make. The draft is painfully slow. We just have to accept it. But don't piss on us and tell us it's raining. Getting it done before the season is literally the only time requirement we have. We have never even come close to not meeting that mark. I am part of the group that does think a 24-hr clock after round 5 or 6 is fine, but for the most part I dont care how long someone takes as long as they communicate status. rg
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 8:33:57 GMT -5
OK, simplified version: The owners who predrafted the most get supplemental picks at the end of the draft, with a maximum of three supplemental picks awarded, processed by the commish as waiver moves. In the case of ties (with at least one predraft each), extra picks are awarded. This would be easy to tabulate and process, is STRICTLY OPTIONAL so owners can still thingy around as long as they want when they are on the clock, and from a competitiveness standpoint would be the 1,177th, 1,178th, and 1,179th players rostered. The supplemental picks would have to be selected within 72 hours of the conclusion of the draft or they are forfeited. I'm not going to incentive pre-draft selections. Again, this is a solution looking for a problem. rg
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Post by wipps on May 12, 2021 8:34:23 GMT -5
I for one will never pre-draft a player. There have been far too many trades for me to consider this. Why wouldn't I give someone in the league the opportunity to offer a trade that could benefit me? I never understood the need to rush through this. I will not be 'punished' for not pre-drafting - eff that.
When I am up at 1.13 I plan on exploring all options: drafting a player, trading back, trading for a player...I will propose offers at that point and reach out for offers of my pick.
You should explore everything and with everyone before auto selecting the WR5 in the mid-first round.
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Post by nelittle on May 12, 2021 8:35:28 GMT -5
I for one will never pre-draft a player. There have been far too many trades for me to consider this. Why wouldn't I give someone in the league the opportunity to offer a trade that could benefit me? I never understood the need to rush through this. I will not be 'punished' for not pre-drafting - eff that. When I am up at 1.13 I plan on exploring all options: drafting a player, trading back, trading for a player...I will propose offers at that point and reach out for offers of my pick. You should explore everything and with everyone before auto selecting the WR5 in the mid-first round. you can do all that in less than a day though. I for one do regret picking quickly yesterday...Apparently there were monster offers out there that take 24 hrs to consider.
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Post by wipps on May 12, 2021 8:38:41 GMT -5
I for one will never pre-draft a player. There have been far too many trades for me to consider this. Why wouldn't I give someone in the league the opportunity to offer a trade that could benefit me? I never understood the need to rush through this. I will not be 'punished' for not pre-drafting - eff that. When I am up at 1.13 I plan on exploring all options: drafting a player, trading back, trading for a player...I will propose offers at that point and reach out for offers of my pick. You should explore everything and with everyone before auto selecting the WR5 in the mid-first round. you can do all that in less than a day though. I for one do regret picking quickly yesterday...Apparently there were monster offers out there that take 24 hrs to consider. I might, but won't judge on anyone unless they aren't communicating with the league. That's all that is asked. It takes two to tango in a trade so who knows if it's someone else that hasn't responded in a timely manner to Charles.
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Post by wipps on May 12, 2021 8:39:40 GMT -5
I had offers lined up for 1.10, but it was over and done with by the time I woke up.
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Post by nelittle on May 12, 2021 8:44:28 GMT -5
I had offers lined up for 1.10, but it was over and done with by the time I woke up. I had a tier drop and hadn't receive any indication from anyone that they were interested in moving up. I spoke with the previous 2 pick owners to ask if they had any legit interest and they described the type of deals they had in their queue. Apparently I misread the mark there. I also don't think we need a clock, but going a day without communicating is bunk if it happens repeatedly. Charles did communicate yesterday, so we're good. I'm just jonesin for summa that draft crack.
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Post by wipps on May 12, 2021 8:46:42 GMT -5
I will state that I will look at any and all offers for 1.13 up front - anyone who is interested please reach out as soon as I am up. I may also reach out with offers
703-599-2853 texting is easiest.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 12, 2021 8:54:52 GMT -5
I'm just jonesin for summa that draft crack. This feeling is exactly why I dont fault those who do focus on the speed of the draft. I get it. But I have to balance the overall requirement to finish before the season along with the time and availability of 23 other guys, all of whom to my knowledge have families and full time jobs that can make attention to a league/draft as complex as ours difficult at times. I realize that I won't ever be able to satisfy all parties, but I can promise that I have thought at length about all sides of the argument. rg
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Post by Hakuna Stigmata on May 12, 2021 9:03:29 GMT -5
I don't want to encourage "pre-drafting" either. I agree that that's not the best way to do things. Not that the 1,177th overall pick is that much of an incentive.
Also, for your consideration, having a deadline will get deals done. One of the reasons these deal discussions drag on is because there is literally no deadline before they have to happen. Neither party in the negotiation feels any pressure to make the move. With a clock ticking on the other end, the person who wants the deal a little more will make it.
Finally, I think the goal should be to get this done well before the season - like...by July 1st at the latest. If not then, at least before camps. Information changes and some people in the past have very obviously tried to take advantage of delays in trying to get more information in later rounds.
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Post by stevethepict on May 12, 2021 9:12:21 GMT -5
OK, simplified version: The owners who predrafted the most get supplemental picks at the end of the draft, with a maximum of three supplemental picks awarded, processed by the commish as waiver moves. In the case of ties (with at least one predraft each), extra picks are awarded. This would be easy to tabulate and process, is STRICTLY OPTIONAL so owners can still thingy around as long as they want when they are on the clock, and from a competitiveness standpoint would be the 1,177th, 1,178th, and 1,179th players rostered. The supplemental picks would have to be selected within 72 hours of the conclusion of the draft or they are forfeited. I'm not going to incentive pre-draft selections. Again, this is a solution looking for a problem. rg Yes, there is a problem. It's a minor one, and we've lived with it for years, but it sucks to be waiting on owners who aren't paying attention or take a ridiculous amount of time haggling over deals. You just don't care about it, and are one of the owners who spends a lot of time shopping deals, and are rejecting proposed solutions. One more time: it's OPTIONAL. That means you don't have to do it if you don't like it. It doesn't stop you from continuing to shop if that's what you like. Last year I usually waited until I was 3-4 picks away from being up, and then entered my predrafts. Once we get to the 3rd or 4th round the trading slows down a lot. I still make my share of draft trades, but I try to keep things moving along out of respect for other people's time.
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Post by stevethepict on May 12, 2021 9:22:58 GMT -5
And just to make sure people understand where I'm coming from, I'm stirring things up, not picking a fight. Greeney, I really appreciate your efforts as commish, but I do think you need to separate your interests and preferences as an owner from your role as a neutral arbiter running the league on behalf of all 24 owners.
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Post by wipps on May 12, 2021 9:27:04 GMT -5
I am all for adding limits starting the 3rd round - but rounds 1 and 2 are where teams are made and destroyed.
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