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Post by stevethepict on May 11, 2021 9:28:21 GMT -5
I'm only partly joking when I suggest this. For next year's draft, we grant three compensatory draft picks at the beginning of the 8th round for the three teams who took the least amount of time making their picks in rounds 1-7. And if we have more than three teams that predrafted all of their picks then they all get a compensatory pick.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 11, 2021 12:03:40 GMT -5
I'm only partly joking when I suggest this. For next year's draft, we grant three compensatory draft picks at the beginning of the 8th round for the three teams who took the least amount of time making their picks in rounds 1-7. And if we have more than three teams that predrafted all of their picks then they all get a compensatory pick. Disagree completely. We just aren't in any rush. The anxiousness to make everyone move as quickly as possible would make it far less fun imo. Speed has literally no standing in how the draft goes imo. On a practical level, this would be a bastard to figure out for a few reasons. First, the time you see listed below the draft board isn't the real time for an owner because any pick they acquire while on the clock inherits the time that pick has been on the clock with it. Second, that incentive structure would randomly burn anyone that happened to go on the clock after they went to bed or got on a long flight or whatever. That's a very imprecise solution to a problem that doesn't exist at all. Want to reward people? I say do it for owners who have 19 healthy active players in a legal lineup every week. There might be 6-8 each year that do that and it has far greater impacts on the outcomes than whether we finish the rookie draft in June vs. July. rg |
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Post by nelittle on May 11, 2021 12:25:53 GMT -5
I think its a funny idea. I get where Steve is coming from here. There are a handful of owners who don't keep the league up to speed on when to maybe expect some movement and on the flip side you have people who use the draft as entertainment and want to see some flow (I am in that camp). I don't think it hurts the product, but I'd bet those same owners are the ones who have trouble getting a legal lineup. Want to reward people? I say do it for owners who have 19 healthy active players in a legal lineup every week. There might be 6-8 each year that do that and it has far greater impacts on the outcomes than whether we finish the rookie draft in June vs. July. rg As for this, switching to the Lineup rules as suggested make this far easier because an Illegal lineup won't be allowed. The injured player part is a different story. |
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Post by stevethepict on May 11, 2021 13:35:53 GMT -5
Again, it's only a partly serious proposal. I do like some kind of positive inducement to keep the draft moving along though, and a free 8th round pick seems like a pretty minor impact on competitiveness.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 11, 2021 13:53:00 GMT -5
Again, I will push back strongly on the premise that the draft does not already move along at a fine pace. It needs no speeding up because there is no problem with the speed it currently goes.
There are a half dozen owners that need to be better at communicating status while on the clock, but even those issues have been minimal.
The purpose of the draft is not to get it done as quickly as possible. When I joined the league it took about a month longer than it has since I've taken over.
The completion time was not a problem then and it's not a problem now.
This is not even a low priority, it's a non-issue to me.
rg
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Post by stevethepict on May 11, 2021 15:08:51 GMT -5
Again, this would be an incentive to draft more quickly, not a requirement. If you want to drag your ass or shop for trade offers you can still do that.
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Post by 4horsemen on May 11, 2021 15:22:35 GMT -5
Again, I will push back strongly on the premise that the draft does not already move along at a fine pace. It needs no speeding up because there is no problem with the speed it currently goes. There are a half dozen owners that need to be better at communicating status while on the clock, but even those issues have been minimal. The purpose of the draft is not to get it done as quickly as possible. When I joined the league it took about a month longer than it has since I've taken over. The completion time was not a problem then and it's not a problem now. This is not even a low priority, it's a non-issue to me. rg Fully agree with Greeney on this topic. I could write a bunch of words as to why but it wouldn’t be half as well written and clear as what he already stated. Personally I have no issue with the current pace of the draft. Agree some could communicate better while on the clock, but nothing proposed here actually solves that IMO. |
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Post by Ryan G. on May 11, 2021 15:29:38 GMT -5
Again, this would be an incentive to draft more quickly, not a requirement. If you want to drag your ass or shop for trade offers you can still do that. I guess what I'm saying is that i wholeheartedly reject the notion that speed of picking is an objectively good thing and not a quality that needs to be or should be incentivized at all. Frankly, I can make a pretty iron-clad argument (and have in the past) that using the pre-select is objectively a bad thing for an owner to do. rg |
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Post by stevethepict on May 11, 2021 15:32:43 GMT -5
Man the fishing is good today. I missed you guys, rising to the bait so easily. I'm glad the league is active again. However, I'm still not getting through. I don't care if the draft takes until July. And I'm only griping mildly about the pace, mostly because of nostalgia over it being a long-running joke. I am however slightly serious about offering some kind of optional inducement for those of us who do try to draft promptly. And I realize that I have at times been one of the ones who didn't communicate over a weekend that I was going to be busy, before you go building a spreadsheet of average draft times since the league was founded.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 11, 2021 15:39:18 GMT -5
Man the fishing is good today. I missed you guys, rising to the bait so easily. I'm glad the league is active again. However, I'm still not getting through. I don't care if the draft takes until July. And I'm only griping mildly about the pace, mostly because of nostalgia over it being a long-running joke. I am however slightly serious about offering some kind of optional inducement for those of us who do try to draft promptly. And I realize that I have at times been one of the ones who didn't communicate over a weekend that I was going to be busy, before you go building a spreadsheet of average draft times since the league was founded. Lol, you definitely caught me at the right time to get me worked up as I'm procrastinating on completing a job application for a big promotion. However, I can't tell you how much I do NOT want to create and maintain the spreadsheet that would be necessary in order to track and incentivize this sort of metric. rg |
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Post by stevethepict on May 11, 2021 15:46:35 GMT -5
I do think it could be pretty easy to implement, maybe with some tweaks. Just pause the draft after pick 7.24 and look at the average pick time as determined by MFL. I know it's not as accurate as the atomic clock, but we'd all be measured against the same flawed system. Maybe the compensatory picks go at the end of the draft, as waiver moves before waivers actually open, rather than between rounds 7 and 8, so extra picks don't have to be inserted. Or maybe they're waiver moves between 7.24 and 8.01.
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Post by Ryan G. on May 11, 2021 15:49:16 GMT -5
I do think it could be pretty easy to implement, maybe with some tweaks. Just pause the draft after pick 7.24 and look at the average pick time as determined by MFL. I know it's not as accurate as the atomic clock, but we'd all be measured against the same flawed system. Maybe the compensatory picks go at the end of the draft, as waiver moves before waivers actually open, rather than between rounds 7 and 8, so extra picks don't have to be inserted. Or maybe they're waiver moves between 7.24 and 8.01. The MFL data would absolutely be flawed in a very meaningful way because of how it carries the time of traded picks over to the ledger of the recipient even if they pick immediately. We are 10 picks and already there would be 2 owners that have hours on their ledger and 2 with almost immediate picks and reality would be the exact opposite. It would HAVE to be tabulated manually. |
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Post by jscorr on May 11, 2021 16:24:47 GMT -5
Also, the auto draft picks don’t factor into the ‘average wait time’ (or at least they haven’t in the past.) So if someone had 1 pick that took 1 hour, and 3 auto draft picks, rather than displaying a 15 min avg wait time, it would still say 1 hour. That could all be handled manually, but that would be tedious and annoying with very little payoff.
I think the draft has gone faster each of the past 3 years. Maybe it’s because all the old farts and their dial up modems moved on to other things.
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Post by 4horsemen on May 11, 2021 16:59:23 GMT -5
Man the fishing is good today. I missed you guys, rising to the bait so easily. I'm glad the league is active again. However, I'm still not getting through. I don't care if the draft takes until July. And I'm only griping mildly about the pace, mostly because of nostalgia over it being a long-running joke. I am however slightly serious about offering some kind of optional inducement for those of us who do try to draft promptly. And I realize that I have at times been one of the ones who didn't communicate over a weekend that I was going to be busy, before you go building a spreadsheet of average draft times since the league was founded. Haha I do love that this league (unlike others I am in) has mostly active owners that also communicate via the message board. While I disagree on this suggestion, I do appreciate you bringing it up so we can discuss. |
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Post by Hakuna Stigmata on May 12, 2021 8:23:32 GMT -5
I think it is kind of BS to say the draft moves along at a fine pace. Even the NFL puts a clock on it.
Goodell this up all you want. The draft *doesn't* move at a fine pace. The draft gets done before the season. That's the best you can say about it.
We've had the conversation before and I know Greeney won't listen to anyone about clocks, so I'm not even suggesting it, but it's laughable to say it moves at a 'fine' pace.
We're past 24 hours for pick 1.11. A pick that should be pretty easy to make.
The draft is painfully slow. We just have to accept it. But don't piss on us and tell us it's raining.
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