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Post by broncobilly on Mar 13, 2023 9:05:35 GMT -5
What's the scoring differences between DEs and LBs? The old difference or the new difference? DE scoring would look to increase since 3-4 OLBs are now considered DEs and traditionally lower scoring 3-4 DEs are now considered DTs. I’m not sure LB scoring overall would be impacted negatively too much since 4-3 OLBs and all MLBs are what compromise LBs now and those guys were traditionally the higher scoring LBs before the change. I’d have to dig into past seasons to be able to quantify the changes.
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Post by foos on Mar 13, 2023 18:46:22 GMT -5
Just trying to understand the total impact. Just changing the designation isn't that big a deal unless it causes major scoring changes. Personally this works well for me because I have several "DEs" that were converted to LBs and now are back to being DEs.
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Post by broncobilly on Mar 14, 2023 7:39:47 GMT -5
D scoring ranges ppg averages for DT, DE, and LB Starting tanks for DT 1-19, DEs 1-35, and LBs 1-56 to account for starting requirements flex abilities and a level of replacement (byes/injuries). 2023 includes position reassignments described previously.
DTs (1-19) 2023 9.6 - 6.0 2021 12.0-5.2 2019 8.0-4.8 2017 9.9-5.0
DEs (1-35) 2023 11.5 - 6.4 2021 15.8-6.3 2019 11.8-6.1 2017 11.6-6.4
LBs (1-56) 2023 13.0 - 7.0 2021 12.9-6.6 2019 15.2-8.1 2017 12.3-7.4
Top end (best ppg) can always deceive a little because of an outlier. Bottom end is usually a bit more reliable IMO. DTs look like they get the best bump, by about 1 ppg. DEs rise a little after being nerfed previously by more recent NFL alignments back to where they used to be. LBs look to gain back a little after losing some from previous seasons.
Gives us a quick snapshot of what the designation changes would do.
After checking rosters post position assignment changes, it looks like every team in the league can submit at legal starting lineup right now. Some teams are a bit overloaded at DT and DE positions, but it seems that could be rectified through the draft, FA, and trades.
Just my opinion of course, but it doesn’t look too egregious.
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Post by drake on Mar 14, 2023 10:33:11 GMT -5
Yea this is a bummer, i had 3 LBs move to DE too. Now i have 7 DEs and 3LBs. lol.
Im not sure why they didnt move Aaron Donald to DT though. That would help balance it out. isnt he a 3-4 defensive lineman?
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Post by broncobilly on Mar 14, 2023 11:47:39 GMT -5
Yea this is a bummer, i had 3 LBs move to DE too. Now i have 7 DEs and 3LBs. lol. Im not sure why they didnt move Aaron Donald to DT though. That would help balance it out. isnt he a 3-4 defensive lineman? mfl isn’t finished making moves on positions yet. This was just the big change in philosophy regarding DTs/DEs
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Post by plunge on Mar 14, 2023 17:04:54 GMT -5
So my starting lineup would be following 1-DT 2 OLB (which are now listed as DE/Edge) 4 MLBs 2 CBS 2 S
So I’m starting 6 LBs and 0 DEs
That makes a lot of sense and matches the NFL standard. Not
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Post by broncobilly on Mar 14, 2023 17:19:14 GMT -5
So my starting lineup would be following 1-DT 2 OLB (which are now listed as DE/Edge) 4 MLBs 2 CBS 2 S So I’m starting 6 LBs and 0 DEs That makes a lot of sense and matches the NFL standard. Not We’re open to considering alternatives. That’s the whole reason for this thread.
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Post by House of Pain on Mar 19, 2023 16:57:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if there is a workable solution but I'd like to have the conversation at least. It seems to me there is a lot more competitive gamesmanship involved with player availability now days. I can't speak for others but it's very frustrating for me to have game time decisions about player availability create situations where I bench a player that ends up playing or start a player that ends up sitting. A couple of times I've had players that ended up being designated one way or another but by the time it was announced I couldn't make a change cuz the clock was seconds past 1pm. I would also include situations where a starting player gets knocked out of a game really early in the game. Like I said, there might not be a workable solution. But the game has changed. There is certainly more head games played among the coaches. Definitely more concern for player safety. All of which effects player availability at times. TTAC turned into a Karen
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Post by Defector on Mar 20, 2023 14:57:44 GMT -5
“Turned into” implies that there was ever a time when she wasn’t one….
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Post by broncobilly on Mar 21, 2023 21:34:00 GMT -5
Well, FWIW IMO FS/mfl went halfway and tried to straddle the fence between traditional position designations and the updated DL/Edge/LB designations. I think they’ve got the right idea on assigning players to positions, but they should have scrapped DT/DE.
If they stick with this and reassign positions to updated DL/Edge, we could flex like this:
DL min 3 max 4 Edge 2 LB min 1 max 2 S min 2 max 3 CB min 2 max 3
It’s going to negatively affect teams that have stocked traditional LBs over the hybrid Edge guys but it would probably give us more realistic lineups.
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Post by TTAC on Mar 23, 2023 18:48:41 GMT -5
Naw. A Karen would've bitched when you two fools couldn't beat me. 🤔😁
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Post by drake on May 6, 2023 17:13:24 GMT -5
We should revisit this after the draft but since i dont have a pick until round 5 i was looking at it again Hopefully we can change something to adjust for this. I went from 2DT/4DE/6LB to 2DT/7DE/3LB. I certainly dont need 7 DE if i will usually only start 2 and i dont want to drop good players just to pick up some LBs on waivers. Anyway, happy drafting.
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Post by Defector on May 6, 2023 19:33:32 GMT -5
I think we can adjust correctly. Just think of DE = all DE + OLB in a typical lineup (aka EDGE)
Should allow all the appropriate formations -
3-4, 4-3, Nickel, Dime, etc.
Probably have to be something like
Total 11 starters 4-6 DBs with min 2 CB, 2 S 1-2 DT 1-2 LB 3-5 DE
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Post by drake on May 6, 2023 21:55:48 GMT -5
Nice idea. Yea something like that would work.
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Post by broncobilly on May 7, 2023 19:09:27 GMT -5
I think we can adjust correctly. Just think of DE = all DE + OLB in a typical lineup (aka EDGE) Should allow all the appropriate formations - 3-4, 4-3, Nickel, Dime, etc. Probably have to be something like Total 11 starters 4-6 DBs with min 2 CB, 2 S 1-2 DT 1-2 LB 3-6 DE Whoa. 6 DEs?
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